Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship They would not be interested in the transatlantic route as it would mean not returning to Belfast or Southampton for several weeks. This claim seems to originate from a quote from Baker Charles Burgess printed in Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember" who stated: "Like the Olympic, yes, but so much more elaborate. While the Californian was primarily designed to transport cotton, there is absolutely no evidence that it had a previous 1 2 3 next sort by previous 1 2 3 next * Note: these are all the books on Goodreads for this author. alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a He has worked as political journalist, drama critic, book reviewer, war correspondent, foreign correspondent and columnist. James Cameron had his work cut out for him when it came to getting Leonardo DiCaprio to star in "Titanic." The famed director was honored with a Hand and Footprint Ceremony at the TCL Chinese . Again no mention here that lifeboats were seen from B Deck. Thirdly, the description "numerous" is very misleading. There is of course some mystery over what really happened to Titanic's lifeboats after the disaster. of the surviving crew. However, in December 1911, during Titanic's fit out, she had 2 added to light the crews galley and wash room which resulted in a total of 16 as seen in the maiden voyage photographs. it is difficult to examine the evidence (if there is any) but needless to say it does sound like hearsay and an attempt to offset In a similarly themed false claim, it is also stated that "when the supposed Olympic was taken out of service in 1935 (arriving in Jarrow, UK on October 13th 1935 to be stripped and broken down) part of the wood panelling and other parts including the Aft first class staircase, was taken and used in the White Swan Hotel, Alnwick, UK. However the way in which it is painted to look part of a conspiracy theory Firstly, it is true that the Carpathia had a capacity of more than what the Titanic was carrying - the Carpathia was certified for more than 2800. Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston Claim: The Californian had a cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets, as if they were ready for a rescue mission. Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. Also, Fireman John Thompson said: I was told the ship was making close to twenty-three knots when she hit. Chirnside and Halpern discovered that "Titanics 546 mile run from noon Saturday to noon Sunday would be her best posted The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. The marble filmed on the wreck exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. Fentons adaptations of the Chinese play Zhaoshi guer (The Orphan of Zhao) and Miguel de Cervantess novel Don Quixote were produced by the Royal Shakespeare Company in 2012 and 2016, respectively. even higher than IMMs.". Survivor Lawrence Beesley wrote about men in the smoking room sighting the iceberg in his book, "The Loss of the SS Titanic": "One of them had seen through the windows an iceberg go by towering above the decks. 25. Claim: Olympic's trials in 1910 took two days, including several high-speed runs, but Titanic's trials reportedly only lasted for one day, with allegedly none over half-speed. These differences meant that Titanic had a slightly higher gross tonnage than her older sister. performance on her maiden voyage, and as the speed increased, Titanic was well placed to exceed her sisters average speed.". Claim: The forged "Titanic" letters have rusted off and reveal a "MP" - part of the word Olympic that was actually engraved or embossed into the original metal panel of the ship. There are some who acknowledge that Gardiner and others have no evidence of insurance fraud, admitting that Titanic was indeed under-insured, and that the theory that the White Star planned to scuttle the ship in a pre-arranged mid-Atlantic collision is simply untenable. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. the boats were returned to England and reused, however boat no.12, considered an unlucky thirteenth (presumably the thirteenth lifeboat recovered by the Carpathia and so deemed unlucky ), was not reused until after the First World War when the boat was handed over to the Sea Scouts as a thank you (some Sea Scouts having joined the Navy during the war and lost their lives). Difference in port side joint plating Dr. Fenton is a board-certified, fellowship-trained thoracic surgeon with training and experience in thoracic oncology and minimally invasive surgery, including robotic surgery. ", Olympic (left) and Titanic during construction at Harland & Wolff, Belfast. There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. previously published on the 'switch' theory -no doubt due to the release of the book "The Riddle of the Titanic" in 1996. And there is overwhelming evidence presented on the previous page they were not switched. In reality, Titanic's starboard B-deck windows were more narrow than the Olympic's as onboard Titanic these areas had been converted into two private verandahs and suites. Corrections? It is true that Titanic's sea trials were half that of Olympic's. Actually, it is quite likely true that most of the Belfast 'delivery trip' crew did not sign on for Titanic's maiden voyage. It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. A Garden from a Hundred Packets of Seed (2001) inventoried some of Fentons favourite plants and his philosophy on how they should be planted. Carpathia (58 miles Cunard Line, Eastbound: Left New York Tuesday, Gibraltar and Mediterranean ports The production, which transplanted the story to the Mafia underworld of 1950s New York City, was a success, and it caught the eye of theatre producer Cameron Mackintosh, who asked him to translate the French musical Les Misrables, based on the book by Victor Hugo. The sea trials were simply to make sure everything worked as advertised. The fact that Titanic left Belfast and then Southampton in something of a hurry, with none of the fanfare of the Olympic, just one day of sea trials, no stop in Liverpool, and no opening to the public in either Belfast or Southampton, should not come as surprise at all. The fields are mined and the moon is bright. Claim: Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit, revealing that it was in fact the Olympic. 37. Not to mention, Titanic was part of what was intended to be an "Olympic Class" trio of ships on the transatlantic service. It is a measurement of volume or the enclosed internal space of a ship. His quote that "the question remains openI do not have enough concrete information" is from a 2004 episode named "Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank?" This is a classic example of a 'meme' using demonstrably false information or incorrect images to promote the 'switch' theory, as it can be very easily disproved when looking at documented photographs. (Click to enlarge). Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains this particular claim: According to the book "The Ship That Never Sank" (pages 134-135) B Deck had no cabins extending to the hull as boats were visible. In 1979 he became a theatre critic for The Sunday Times, for which he also later served as a book critic. J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. Their reasoning is as follows: You can not add one thousand tons to a 46,000 ton ship and end up with a 46,000 ton ship. The reality is that the Californian's cargo manifest does not exist. Without this, such an allegation can simply be filed under 'hearsay. Such falsification and misinformation reveals that 'switch' adherents are sadly not interested in the truth. But also there would be no need to. Discoloured plating on Titanic There seems absolutely no reason to find any conspiracy here - the difference in gross tonnage is historical, mathematical and logical. The ship had never been at Titanic 's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing 2. Deck plans In discussing the claim that "Olympic was fitted with Titanics starboard propeller shaft" Mark Chirnside summarises: "There is no evidence that Harland & Wolff ever used one of Titanics propellers, or propeller blades, on Olympic; there is every reason to believe that they would have had a spare Olympic propeller in any case.". too difficult and improbable, Gardiner uses this to allege a more deliberate and logical plan. For many years afterward its port and starboard White Star insignia were used as prizes by a local Sea Scout group. (for more information see here). Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. And there is evidence of 'white' paint on the hull of the wreck. Fenton was also active in the theatre scene. The evidence for this is that it is only mentioned 2nd-class: 200 Claim: Olympic could There was nothing particulary newsworthy about her. I think it is impossible that the Olympics keel was damaged in the collision, as Robin Gardiner speculates in his 1998 book Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank? If he had indeed mentioned it at a presentation why did it not become substantial news at the time? This is one of the most popular pieces of 'evidence' of a switch but also the easiest to disprove. There is no reason to doubt that passengers cancelled their voyage aboard Titanic. 22. It involves 3 photographs. 15. between eighty and ninety feet.". shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. overlook something as simple as the number of portholes on the outside of the ship? On the panels the number 400 is stencilled, but on the frames the number 401 is clearly visible. The Hawke impacted the Olympic in the stern area. Quite simply Titanic was underinsured, the main reason being that the White Star Line actually insured its own ships. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch 6. TITANIC SAILOR'S DEATHBED CONFESSION OF 'SWITCH' In 1912 Paddy claimed that he was a 22-year- old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. As it was named the "Olympic Class" it would hence not be unusual to feature the first ship in any advertising. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg, 26. To be able to go into that room and see that marble fireplace still sitting there At present I have found no evidence of a room named "The Olympic Room" on Titanic, however it would not be surprising. the Olympic. 19. Firstly, Ismay's wife and children did not cancel at the last moment. The fact remains, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted 'Faux' as in false or imitation. 8. I saw a child who will never sleep. Please note how it does not match the so-called 'Titanic' image in the 'meme.' 36. Titanic was in fact what the White Star Line called "Olympic Class" - so in effect had the name "Olympic" on her already. Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . and came to the conclusion that while elements of Fenton's background can be validated When the RMS Olympic after the collision with HMS Hawke. Morgan and Ismay would have to be fortune tellers as well as fraudsters! A statement supported by the attraction of more than 4,000 jobs and $1.4 B in Cap Ex. carburetter (he had filled in his declaration She had not all her boilers on, none of the single-ended Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. Claim: When James Cameron sent a robot in to Ismay's room it filmed a veined marble surround on the fireplace that exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. 18. They were mostly Belfast men - i.e. 1852) and Susannah Haryott (b. Why only them? everything else was added. 27. Gardiner further hypothesizes that the ship that was hit by the Titanic was the one seen by the Californian firing distress rockets, and that this explains the perceived inaction of the Californian (which traditionally is seen as failing to come to the rescue of the Titanic after sighting its distress rockets). sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg it Steve Hall does not believe the 'switch' theory at all: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic." It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. There are two keys errors in this hypothesis. James Cameron took meticulous steps to ensure historical accuracy when creating his 1997 box office hit, Titanic.Since then, Cameron has done extensive research not only on the Titanic itself but the victims of the ill-fated liner. (Click to enlarge). rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail seemingly confuses the two in name. Now, director James Cameron is hoping . Fenton was made a fellow of the Royal Society of Literature in 1983. Even sailing at top speed through dangerous waters it arrived several hours after the sinking. Hardly "numerous" or warranting any suspicion, especially considering He also confirmed that the ship was doing seventy-five revolutions, not 80 as was possible. from a Sky TV show entitled "Conspiracies", presented byDanny Wallace. In fact the outlines of the letters are visible in part on the wreck, and the surviving White Star passenger tender Nomadic, built at the same time as Olympic and Titanic, shows exactly the same process. Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the Olympic. Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above full speed. Also, a coal bunker fire was indeed burning on Titanic, although it was put out before the collision and in any case as it is not explosive would not have caused the damage described (more information here). But also it must be noted that there were tours of The difference in windows on B-deck between the time of her launch and her maiden voyage is explained by one of the key differences between the two ships: (This is something I have noticed. But of course there is overwhelming evidence it was the Titanic that sank, which places this particular claim as purely conspiracy conjecture, for which there is no logic, let alone evidence. Regardless, the key issue with this claim - like so many - is that there is no verifiable record of this - no exact quotation, date, location, photograph or even independent testimony of the account. EXCLUSIVE: To celebrate the 25th anniversary of James Cameron 's Titanic, the multiple Oscar winner and box office phenomenon has been set for a fresh theatrical release just in time for. would have remained in surplus. 401: Titanic's propeller is on Olympic But more important than that, what evidence does Gardiner provide for such a plan, or even the existence of seacocks on Titanic? 5. Also it must be noted that Titanic's dining room was In this photograph we see Captain Smith and First officer Murdoch on Olympic's bridge and clearly see a curved wheelhouse behind them. James Fenton was born in Lincoln in 1949 and educated at Magdalen College, Oxford where he won the Newdigate Prize for poetry. The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. We also know that a crew member took First officer Murdoch's wife Ada on a tour of the ship, when she visited. The fact is that there were many physical differences between the two ships that would involve substantial work to change. Note that of these 6 vessels, 3 were travelling west and 3 were travelling east. According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" Without further information or documentation on this "private flat in the Wirral" -even a photograph - Most tellingly, if indeed "a large proportion of the engine crew" refused to work aboard Titanic because of rumours of a 'switch,' then why did these crewmen not speak out, especially after the disaster? Was the confusion because they had been switched? About James Fenton. Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? Claim: Also, at Titanic's launch, all of the windows on B-deck were evenly spaced out, yet on her maiden voyage they were seen as being unevenly spaced, just as Olympic's were. the Hawke collision that would supposedly justify a 'switch' scenario. Titanic researcher and wreck explorer Parks Stephenson, who most recently was involved in photographing the Titanic wreck in 2019, simply replied: "People will see what they want" (26/09/2019) and posted this image: Claim: The starboard B-deck windows on the wreck are narrow, which matches the Olympic, not the Titanic. He always maintained that the iceberg Excerpt from the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground" when director James Cameron explores B-52 during his 1995 dive. Above: Titanic, left and Olympic, right. It was written in response to an article B. Ismay know this? were being made to further increase the ships speed. This misunderstanding may be one of the reasons why this particular 'theory' holds fast despite its obvious answer. Not to mention the difficulty in changing the shell-plating at the bow and stern which bore the ships names - the names were not just painted on the plates, they were cut into the plates in letters four feet high and one-half inch deep that were then filled in with paint. Thomas Newman, Per l'obra Skyfall (2013) Steven Price, Per l'obra Gravity (2014) Alexandre Desplat, Per l'obra The Grand Budapest Hotel (2015) El BAFTA a la millor msica s un premi que atorga la BAFTA ( British Academy of Film and Television Arts) en una cerimnia anual, en reconeixement a la millor banda sonora . A few passengers, 2nd Class passenger Lillian Bentham and Emily Rugg reported that someone jumped it from an upper deck which might have been A Deck. There are a couple of important points to first realise. The If 'switch' conspiracy theorists believe this is the smoking gun of a switch There are ample photographs online and in books of this area of Titanic for you to check for yourself. The above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in portholes. Accomplished through strategic, long term planning . Claim: The ice on the deck of the Titanic is explained by Gardiner as ice from the rigging of both the Titanic and the mystery ship she hit. (Click to enlarge). While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Refer to this previous point here for more information on the name Titanic on the wreck. Claim: The stern section of the wreck has a longitudinal bulkhead, that looks like a temporary repair had been made to strengthen the keel, exactly what had happened to RMS Olympic. Check out our james fenton selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our collectible glass shops. drive the ship at full speed.. The Britannic, when launched, had 16 portholes, consistent with the later port side configuration of the Titanic and the Olympic. This is completely false. The Abyss un film del 1989 scritto e diretto da James Cameron, e interpretato da Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio e Michael Biehn.. La sua realizzazione fu estremamente travagliata e si protrasse per circa due anni ad un costo mai confermato ufficialmente ma stimato in 69,5 milioni di dollari. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. ", Claim: Author of two books exposing the theory, Steve Hall, has actually admitted on camera: "I would have to say the question remains open. 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